Sunday, 22 October 2017

Another Look At An Observer Special For Tonight's PPV

It has been a day since I pointed out that the Kambi oddsmakers had corrected their 'Highest Rated Match' special for WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 so thought I'd publish an update where I look to see how the betting has gone so far.

As noted in the aforementioned post, the bookmakers are offering punters the option to bet on Finn Balor .vs. AJ Styles or 'Any Other Match' being the 'Highest Rated Match' on tonight's card.

Highest Rated Match On TLC 2017 Card - Wrestling Observer Betting Odds

It appears the punters have opted to back any of the other matches on the card doing better than Finn Balor and AJ Styles as the 'Any Other' selection was shortened from 13/10 into 6/5 by yesterday evening.

This has pushed 'Finn Balor .vs. AJ Styles' up slightly to 3/5 from 11/20.

The highest rated match on the card will be determined by whichever bout receives the most stars in Dave Meltzer's review of the PPV in the upcoming issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 Odds As Of 12pm BST

5Dimes WWE TLC 2017 Odds As Of 12pm BST Sunday

Here are the 5Dimes Sportsbook's WWE TLC 2017 betting odds as of 12pm BST today.

There's only one market that is showing different pricing to when I last looked through these markets earlier today.

WWE Raw Women's Champion, Alexa Bliss, has dropped from -290 into -310. As a result, Mickie James has drifted to +230 from +210.

Prices correct as of 12pm BST and taken from the 5Dimes Website.

Asuka 17/20 To Be WWE Raw Women's Champion At Close Of Mania 34

Asuka's odds to be holding the WWE Raw Women's Championship at the close of WrestleMania 34 on April 8th have once again been cut by the oddsmakers from Kambi.

The Japanese wrestler, who will make her debut for the Raw brand at WWE TLC 2017 tonight, is a 17/20 favourite in the market that has been available since April of this year.

Asuka had started off at 3/1. She was cut to 2/1 when it was clear that she was moving up from NXT to either Raw or Smackdown. Then, after it was announced she would be working for the red brand, the price was cut 6/4.

The market was republished this morning with the new pricing.

WWE Raw Women's Champion At WrestleMania 34 Betting Odds
Who Will Be WWE Raw Women's Champ After Mania 34? (Click Image To Expand)

Asuka isn't the only name whose odds have been snipped since the market was last available.

Nia Jax - who is currently taking time off from WWE - and Sasha Banks have both had their prices cut from 11/2 into 4/1.

The adjustments have seen the following selections drift out:

Bayley from 11/2 to 8/1
Kairi Sane from 11/2 to 10/1
Shayna Baszler from 11/2 to 10/1
Emma from 15/1 to 20/1
Stephanie McMahon from 10/1 to 33/1

When available, you can find these markets - along with other WWE WrestleMania specials - on the websites that publish WWE odds from Kambi. A couple of examples can be found below.


Sky Bet's TLC 2017 Odds Published

Sky Bet's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 betting markets were released this morning.

You can view the early odds in the image below.

Sky Bet TLC 2017 Betting Odds

Punters Backing 'Under' In Asuka .vs. Emma WON Market And More

The 'Under' has continued to decline in an O/U Wrestling Observer star ratings proposition market for Asuka's match against Emma at WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017.

In a post published yesterday evening, I pointed out that customers from the websites that put up odds from Kambi had sided with the bout to receive less than three-and-a-quarter stars when Dave Meltzer reviews tonight's event in the next issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

The selection had been cut from 7/5 into 9/10 and has now dropped to 3/4.

Asuka .vs. Emma
Over 3.25
3.25 Stars
Under 3.25
21/10 9:45am
11/10
5/4
7/5
7:00pm
8/5
7/5
9/10
22/10 9:40am
7/4
6/4
3/4

With 'Under 3.25' evidently lowering, the bookmakers have pushed up the prices for the other two selections on the board. 'Over' is now 7/4 after opening 11/10 while those looking to back the rating to land dead on 3.25 can now find the option at 6/4. It was installed at 5/4 yesterday.

This O/U market is one of two that were changed since yesterday evening. The second market is the one for the Finn Balor versus AJ Styles match.

Balor .vs. Styles
Over 4.5
4.5 Stars
Under 4.5
21/10 9:45am
6/4
13/10
EVS
22/10 9:40am
17/10
"
9/10

The wagers appear to be siding with Finn Balor and AJ Styles receiving less than four-and-a-half stars for their match tonight.

'Under 4.5' has been cut from even money into 9/10. The oddsmakers have kept 'Exactly 4.5' at 13/10, but have increased the odds for 'Over 4.5' by moving it out to 17/10 from 6/4.

Kambi's TLC 2017 Odds For Sunday Morning

Kambi's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 betting markets were republished a few minutes ago. The prices for most of the matches remain as they were last night.

Date/Time
Sasha Banks
Alicia Fox
21/10 9:45am
1/5
3/1
9:15pm
"
"
22/10 9:40am
3/10
11/5
The odds for Alicia Fox have been lowered from 3/1 to 11/5 in the market for the pre-show match.

Date/Time
Asuka
Emma
21/10 9:45am
1/40
8/1
9:15pm
"
"
22/10 9:40am
"
"

No change for Asuka's main roster debut against Emma.

Date/Time
Enzo Amore
Kalisto
21/10 9:45am
1/4
5/2
9:15pm
"
"
22/10 9:40am
"
"

Enzo Amore is still a 1/4 favourite to get a result over WWE Cruiserweight Champion, Kalisto.

Date/Time
Finn Balor
AJ Styles
21/10 9:45am
2/5
7/4
9:15pm
7/20
39/20
22/10 9:40am
"
"

No change in the Finn Balor versus AJ Styles market. Balor is a 7/20 fave after moving to this price after opening at 2/5 yesterday morning.

Date/Time
Ambrose, Rollins, Angle
Opponents
21/10 9:45am
1/2
7/5
9:15pm
1/4
5/2
22/10 9:40am
"
"

Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Kurt Angle are still 1/4 to overcome their five opponents in the handicap match that will main event.

Date/Time
Alexa Bliss
Mickie James
21/10 9:45am
1/7
15/4
9:15pm
"
"
22/10 9:40am
"
"

No change in the WWE Raw Women's Championship match.

Date/Time
Kendrick and Gallagher
Alexander and Swann
21/10 9:45am
7/10
EVS
9:15pm
"
"
22/10 9:40am
1/2
7/5

The team of Brian Kendrick and Jack Gallagher moved to 1/2 from 7/10. As a result, the oddsmakers have pushed Cedric Alexander and Rich Swann from EVS to 7/5.

5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 Odds For Sunday Morning

5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 Betting Odds

Here are the 5Dimes Sportsbook's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 betting odds as of 7:30am BST today.

There have been a number of mild changes to most of the markets overnight. Starting from the Kick-Off we have:


  • No change in the odds for Alicia Fox .vs. Sasha Banks
  • Finn Balor's price has moved in from -210 to -230 for his match with AJ Styles. The Phenomenal One has moved up ten points from +160
  • Brian Kendrick and Jack Gallagher were -110 when I last published a post. They're now at -145 with Alexander and Swann moving out from -130 to +105 in this time
  • Enzo Amore has shortened from -300 in the Cruiserweight Championship market. He's now a -320 favourite while the champion, Kalisto, has been moved up to +240 from +220
  • Asuka is still a -2,750 favourite to defeat Emma (+1,250)
  • The team of Kurt Angle, Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins has shortened to -290 from -275. A win for their opponents is now up to +210 from +195
  • WWE Women's Champion, Alexa Bliss, is now a -290 favourite. She had been -270 ever since the market opened. Mickie James, who was +190 has raised to +210
Odds from the 5Dimes Website.

Saturday, 21 October 2017

5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 Betting Odds For Saturday Night (11PM BST)

5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 Betting Odds

Here's the WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 markets from 5Dimes.

There is one difference from when I last visited the site a couple of hours ago and it has been in the cruiserweight tag team match market.

Date/Time
Kendrick and Gallagher
Alexander and Swann
20/10 1:15am
-145
+105
9:15am
"
"
11:00pm
-110
-130
21/10 8:30am
"
"
5:00pm
"
"
9:00pm
+125
-165
11:00pm
-110
-130

As of 11pm BST, the edge has landed in favour of Brian Kendrick and Jack Gallagher as their price is now -110 after being +125 previously.

In the most recent 5Dimes update, I noted that the duo are favourites here in Europe.

5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 odds are found under 'Other Sports' on the 5Dimes Website.

TLC 2017 Kambi Update For Saturday Night

There isn't much to report in regards to Kambi's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 betting markets as there have only been two changes since this morning's update when I caught the odds as  they were being published.

Date/Time
Finn Balor
AJ Styles
21/10 9:45am
2/5
7/4
9:15pm
7/20
39/20

Finn Balor has moved in from 2/5 to 7/20 for his match with AJ Styles. A win for Styles will now pay out at 39/20. He had opened at 7/4.

The second, and final, market to change so far is the one for the main event.

Date/Time
Ambrose, Rollins, Angle
Opponents
21/10 9:45am
1/2
7/5
9:15pm
1/4
5/2

The team of Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Kurt Angle (I still can't believe I'm typing Angle as being an official participant) has been halved from 1/2. A win for their opponents has now been pushed to 5/2 from 7/5.

You can read this morning's post to check out the odds for the other matches or check out 32Red's page below:

5Dimes TLC 2017 Odds As Of 9pm BST Saturday

Here's another short update with some price changes that have been made over on the 5Dimes Website.

5Dimes TLC 2017 Betting Odds


  • The team that is opposing Kurt Angle, Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins have been lowered from +260 into +195. This has pushed the babyfaces up to -275 from -380
  • Kalisto's odds have been lowered from +260 into +220 to successfully retain the WWE Cruiserweight Championship. A win for Enzo Amore has been raised from -380 into -300
  • AJ Styles has lowered from +200 to +160 while Finn Balor has drifted out to -210 from -280
  • Rich Swann and Cedric Alexander are now -165 favourites from -130. Their opponents have jumped out to +125 from -110. It's worth pointing out that this is a contradiction to the European markets because the heels are slight favourites over here
Prices correct as of 9pm BST and taken from the 5Dimes Website.

Kambi Moves Line In 2 Time Proposition Markets For TLC 2017

The oddsmakers from Kambi have changed the lines in two time proposition markets for tomorrow night's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 PPV.

The markets, where customers can choose whether the match lasts under or over the time that the bookmaker predicts, had been available since earlier today. The matches affected are the Cruiserweight Championship and Asuka's main roster debut against Emma.

Kalisto versus Enzo Amore was first set at 8:30, but has now been increased to 9:30. Both the 'Over' and 'Under' are 17/20 as of the time of writing.

The Asuka versus Emma bout opened at eight minutes earlier today. In a post published after 6:30pm BST, I noted that I had backed the 'Under'. It seems others might have also taken the gamble as the oddsmakers have now moved the line to 6:30.

Anyone looking to back the 'Under' can find it at 4/5 while the 'Over' is 9/10.

These markets are graded from the opening bell to start the match and end at the next ring. In most cases this is the sound that is rung to indicate the match being over.

Observer O/U Odds Update For Saturday Night

Two changes have been made to the over/under Wrestling Observer Newsletter star ratings markets for tomorrow night's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 show.

The first market that's showing different prices to this morning is the one for the Kick Off match that will see Sasha Banks and Alicia Fox in a rematch from Monday night.

Fox .vs. Banks
Over 1.75
1.75 Stars
Under 1.75
21/10 9:45am
6/5
6/5
27/20
7:00pm
7/10
6/4
37/20

The oddsmakers have set the line at one-and-three-quarter stars. The punters have evidently backed the 'Over' as it has been snipped into 7/10 from 6/5.

As a result, 'Exactly 1.75 Stars' has increased from 6/5 to 6/4 and 'Under 1.75' is now 37/20 from 27/20.

Asuka versus Emma is the second market.

Asuka .vs. Emma
Over 3.25
3.25 Stars
Under 3.25
21/10 9:45am
11/10
5/4
7/5
7:00pm
8/5
7/5
9/10

As you can see, the customers have opted to bet on this match going under the line of three-and-a-quarter stars as the price has been cut from 7/5 into 9/10.

Even though I haven't bet on it, I agree with the move. The pair have had a four star match in the past. However, this is a different scenario as I strongly believe this will be a short one-sided match-up.

With the 'Under' moving in, they've put 'Exactly 3.25 Stars' at 7/5 from 5/4 and 'Over' at 8/5 from 11/10.

These over/under markets are based on Dave Meltzer's review of TLC, which will appear in the next issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Bets are graded on the amount of stars the newsletter's editor rates the respective matches using his star rating review system.

Prices correct as of 7pm BST and taken from the websites that publish betting odds for Kambi.

My Time Proposition Bets For WWE TLC 2017

Earlier today, when Kambi's odds for WWE TLC 2017 were published, there were two markets that I was looking out for the most. They are the time proposition specials for Asuka versus Emma and the main event.

As per usual, I had predicted what the oddsmaker would put up and thought I'd share with you what I've bet on.

For the Asuka versus Emma match, I was hoping that the compiler would put the time at close to ten minutes and was going to take the under.

At the risk of repeating myself because I feel I've written this a lot today, the reason why I was planning to bet the under is because I feel Asuka's debut on the main roster has to be a one-sided bout and not as competitive as their meeting in London a couple of years ago.

Dave Meltzer, on one of the most recent Wrestling Observer Radio shows, felt that it should be around six minutes so - after hearing this, and knowing the Kambi oddsmaker must be a subscriber to the newsletter - I was anticipating the line to be published at 6:00.

Despite this, I was still planning to bet on the under.

As those of you who have seen the market for yourself will know, the line was set at eight minutes. It was a no-brainer for me. I backed the under when it was 9/10. As you'll see in the image below, the oddsmakers have now flipped the market with the 'Over 8' now at 9/10 and my selection cut to 4/5.

WWE TLC 2017 Time Proposition Betting

The other market in the image below is the time prop for the Tables, Ladders and Chairs match that will main event tomorrow night's show.

When I was thinking this one through, the number I predicted the Kambi oddsmaker to come up with was twenty-seven minutes. I was planning to bet over this amount. However, when the line went up - and as you can see above - the line was three-and-a-half minutes more than I had anticipated.

I've backed the 'Over' because it plays into something that has worked many times for me in the past and that is to bet over the line in matches that have a plethora of top stars. From the top of my head, it has worked the last two times that I've done this (the fatal five-way at Extreme Rules and the SummerSlam main event). It could be a case of third time unlucky, but that's why they call it gambling.

The odds have also been snipped for this selection as it has been moved from 4/5 into 7/10 since this morning.

These are the only time specials that I plan to bet on as of the time of writing. If I decide to do any more, I'll publish another post.

Prices correct as of 6pm and available from the websites that publish Kambi's WWE odds. A couple of examples can be found below:


5Dimes' WWE TLC 2017 Betting Odds For Early Saturday Evening

5Dimes' WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 Betting Odds For Saturday

Here are the 5Dimes Sportsbook's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 betting odds as of 5pm BST today.

The sportsbook has added match markets for the replacement bouts that were announced yesterday.

Kurt Angle, Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins are currently -380 favourites to get the W against The Miz, Cesaro, Sheamus, Braun Strowman and Kane (+260).

In the other new addition, AJ Styles is +200 to Finn Balor's -280.

All other markets remain as they were when I looked over them at 8:30am this morning.

Bet at 5dimes

Kambi Voids Early TLC 2017 Observer Bets

Earlier today, I published this post noting that the Kambi oddsmakers had published a market where they were potentially offering 7/2 on Finn Balor versus AJ Styles being the highest rated match in Dave Meltzer's review of tomorrow night's WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs.

The market had been removed before I wrote about it and has since been readjusted to this. However, anyone who had backed 'Any Other Match' in the initial market has had their bets voided.

WWE TLC 2017 Voided Betting Slip
A copy of a betting slip sent by a WWELeaks visitor

The oddsmakers claim that there was an 'obvious mistake in the odds'. The original market can be viewed in the image below:

Highest Rated Match On The TLC 2017 Card Betting Odds

I don't know for sure, but I suppose the above market might have been priced up before today and it was accidentally published instead of the adjusted one that ended up taking its place. 

The person who prices up these odds seems to know a lot about wrestling, so not having Balor .vs. Styles in the initial market was a conspicuous absence. 

With that said, having Asuka vs. Emma as favourite surprised me when I went through the odds in this morning's post. I strongly believe the match will be a one-sided affair unlike their four star bout from London in December of 2015.

The market was later adjusted with the oddsmakers offering the punter two options:

Highest Rated Match On The Card Betting Odds For WWE TLC 2017


William Hill Not Be Publishing Odds For TLC 2017

I've had a few people ask me about William Hill and whether the company will have markets available for tomorrow's Tables, Ladders and Chairs event and thought it best to publish a post addressing it rather than being lost in the comments section.

A trading decision has been made not to cover this event.

The current plan, as of today, is to install match markets for the Survivor Series on the weekend of November 19th.

New 'Highest Rated Match' Market Published For TLC 2017

In the most recent post, I went through all of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter betting specials for Tables, Ladders and Chairs 2017 and noted that a 'Highest Rated Match on the Card' market had been pulled. It has since been republished after being adjusted.

The original market was offering customers the opportunity to bet on Asuka versus Emma (3/5), Handicap TLC Match (21/20) or 'Any Other Match' (7/2).

I pointed out that the removal could have been because a potential great match in Finn Balor versus AJ Styles would have qualified for 'Any Other Match'. It seems I might have been correct as the new market is now offering two options - 'Balor .vs. Styles' or 'Any Other Match'.


The Balor versus Styles bout is an 11/20 favourite while the option to punt on any of the other attractions is out at 13/10.

Kambi's Observer Star Rating Specials For WWE TLC 2017

As has become a regular thing every pay-per-view weekend, the oddsmakers from Kambi have installed betting markets where customers can punt on Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter star ratings.

For those of you new to this, Meltzer is the owner and editor of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. The issue following a wrestling pay-per-view will include the editor's review of the event. In this write-up the reviewer rates each match using a star system. It's a five star scale, but there have been exceptions that have exceeded this threshold.

In this post, I'll go through every Observer themed market that's available for Tables, Ladders and Chairs.

Over/Unders
For each match scheduled for the event, the oddsmakers have set a line where customers can have a punt whether Dave Meltzer rates the respective bout over, under or exactly on the line that the bookmaker has set. Here are all the matches along with their lines and odds.

Sasha Banks .vs. Alicia Fox
Over 1.75 Stars 6/5
Exactly 1.75 Stars 6/5
Under 1.75 Stars 27/20

Asuka .vs. Emma
Over 3.25 Stars 11/10
Exactly 3.25 Stars 5/4
Under 3.25 Stars 7/5

Kalisto .vs. Enzo Amore
Over 2.0 Stars 17/10
Exactly 2.0 Stars 13/10
Under 2.0 Stars 9/10

Finn Balor .vs. AJ Styles
Over 4.5 Stars 6/4
Exactly 4.5 Stars 13/10
Under 4.5 Stars EVS

TLC Match
Over 4.25 Stars 7/5
Exactly 4.25 Stars 5/4
Under 4.25 Stars 11/10

Alexa Bliss .vs. Mickie James
Over 2.75 Stars 6/5
Exactly 2.75 Stars 6/5
Under 2.75 Stars 27/20

Kendrick and Gallagher .vs. Rich Swann and Cedric Alexander
Over 2.5 Stars 9/10
Exactly 2.5 Stars 5/4
Under 2.5 Stars 7/4

Highest Rated Match On The Card
Another market that's published each PPV weekend is one where customers can have a bet on the match they believe will receive the most stars in Meltzer's review of the entire event. 
For this weekend, the oddsmakers were offering three selections from the start - Asuka .vs. Emma, the Handicap Tables Match or 'Any Other'.

Highest Rated Match Of The Night Betting Odds For WWE TLC 2017

I write that they 'were' offering' these selections because the market has since been taken off the board and it's easy to see why. 

For starters, I think the main event at 21/20 was chalked up too high considering Asuka versus Emma (3/5)  - despite receiving four stars when they met on the NXT TakeOver London show a couple of years ago - will likely be short squash match to put Asuka over as a threat to the women's division on her main roster debut. 

Most importantly, with AJ Styles versus Finn Balor on the card, the 'Any Other Match' option must have been backed immediately.

This market has been readjusted with new selections. Read about it in this post.

Any Match To Receive 5 Stars Or More
The bookies have a special where clients can have a bet on Meltzer giving any of the matches on the card one of his infamous five stars (or more). 
Usually, the bookies have the odds in double figures. But, like I noted above, with AJ Styles versus Finn Balor on the card - they aren't taking any chances. This weekend's price is..

Any WWE TLC 2017 Match To Get 5 Stars

They're offering 4/1 and - to be honest - I don't blame them. Even though it has been six years since a WWE match received five stars, I anticipated a low number in this market after reading AJ Styles is to replace Bray Wyatt. I didn't think it would go as low as 4s, though.

The markets are available from the websites that publish betting odds from Kambi. A couple of examples can be found below: