Starting with the WWE Smackdown Women's Championship match market.
Date/Time
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Becky Lynch
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Charlotte Flair
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21/9 1:00PM
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-195
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+155
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30/9 9:00AM
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-215
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+165
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2/10 9:00AM
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-270
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+190
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3/10 8:15PM
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-170
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+130
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3/10 11:15PM
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-215
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+165
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4/10 8:00AM
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-180
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+140
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When I last published an update, I noted that the former WWE Smackdown Women's Champion had been cut from +190 into +130. Then - when I took note of the odds later that night - I noticed that the current champ, Becky Lynch, was backed from -170 into -215.
The lean appears to be back on Flair as she has been cut from +165 into +140.
There has been a flip, of sorts, in the market for Triple H versus The Undertaker. When I last wrote about the two wrestlers, HHH was -110 and Taker was -130. It's now Hunter as the technical favourite with a line of -130 and his rival at -110.
Date/Time
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HHH
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The Undertaker
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21/9 1:00PM
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+120
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-160
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23/9 9:00AM
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+110
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-150
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24/9 9:00AM
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+125
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-165
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30/9 11:00PM
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+135
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-175
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2/10 9:00AM
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-105
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-135
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3/10 8:00AM
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-110
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-130
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4/10 8:00AM
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-130
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-110
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The Miz's price to get a W over Daniel Bryan has been trimmed from +220 into +200.
Date/Time
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Daniel Bryan
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The Miz
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21/9 1:00PM
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-155
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+115
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24/9 9:00AM
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-195
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+155
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24/9 11:00PM
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-175
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+135
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26/9 10:00PM
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-195
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+155
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2/10 9:00AM
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-210
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+160
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3/10 8:15PM
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-300
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+220
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4/10 8:00AM
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-280
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+200
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As a result, a win for Bryan has now been placed at -280. He was a slightly shorter -300 yesterday following action in his favour yesterday afternoon to evening UK time presumably after the punters who had seen the previous night's Smackdown or - going by the ratings - read reports the following day!
Another selection that's showing shorter odds than last night is the one for the male trios match. The Shield has been moved to -295 from -280. A win for their opponents has been placed at +215. This is up from +200.
The remaining markets are unchanged from previous updates.
Asuka and Naomi +250
The IIconics -350
New Day -650
The Bar +420
Cedric Alexander +140
Buddy Murphy -180
AJ Styles -200
Samoa Joe +157
Bellas and Rousey -500
Riott Squad +334
Lashley and Cena -600
Elias and Owens +400
Prices correct as of 8AM BST.
What's your prediction David
ReplyDelete1) Styles wins, Miz wins
2) Styles wins, Bryan wins
3) Joe wins, Bryan wins
2, but would rather 3.
DeleteTBH, all 3 feuds will be great. Joe should win the title but i don't see that happening. I agree with you on scenario 2.
ReplyDeleteAlso as expected, HHH is now favourite. Slight favourite but odds might reduce more for the next 2 days
They need to have a strong heel champion going into Mania and Joe fits it perfectly. Especially if they want to do Cena's chase for the record against him. It writes itself due to their backstory etc.
DeleteAgreed. Joe vs Cena will be gold
DeleteI 100% agree regarding a strong heel champion going into Mania.
DeleteI honestly think Bryan will win the title at Mania even if he does win at SSD. Like you said a strong heel champion heading into Mania is the way to go could be Joe could be Miz or it could be Orton. All strong heels.
I'm not down for a Cena win at all. WWE have to start pushing new talent and stop relying on part timers who are 40 odd. They aren't going to be around for much longer sooner or later WWE have to start investing in the younger talent. Ratings are awful at the moment Cena in a title match will put the final nail in the coffin regarding the ratings.
DeleteGoing by history, I have a hard time seeing WWE putting Bryan in that Mania spot.
DeleteI also have a hard time recognising The Miz as a 'strong heel champion' based on how his last run as WWE Champion was booked.
Miz is more like coward but cunning champion. Just like Edge 10 years ago.
DeleteStrong heel champions are defnitely Orton and Joe
wonder who is Orton's next target. Styles and Bryan are the only two top babyfaces left on Smackdown.
That's a perfect description of The Miz.
DeleteI think Miz would be a strong heel champion especially if he taunts Bryan on a weekly basis about it. But I agree he's a cowardly cunning champion.
DeleteIf Bryan beats Miz at SSD (I don't think he will) then I think there's a good chance Randy Orton walks into WrestleMania as WWE Champion.
Regarding Orton's next target I expect that to be revealed on Saturday as he's not scheduled for a match. Dillinger's a jobber and the current mini feud is about getting Orton TV time before he costs someone a match at SSD imo.
I'm saying Bryan. Nothing else would make sense to me. Plus I think WWE is making it too obvious that Bryan is going to win at SSD. Miz gaining the upper hand every week, Bryan losing to Benjamin and Maryse going back to parenting leaving Miz to go it alone knowing full well he cant beat Bryan fair and square.
You've backed yourself into a corner with your fantasy booking of Miz winning the title and Bryan beating him at Mania.
DeleteTo still doubt Bryan winning on Saturday is very questionable!!
And as I wrote the above, on today's WOR, Dave Meltzer just said the following:
DeleteAs far as Shelton Benjamin beating him (referring to Smackdown), all I'll say is this - I presume it's to set up Daniel Bryan beating Miz on Saturday. If Daniel Bryan doesn't beat Miz on Saturday, I'll probably have a lot to say on Saturday night. Because.. but, I expect he will and I won't have anything to say.
By the way - I don't see any reason why Orton should be there on Saturday. Whatever he's doing next would make more sense at a later point (SD 1000 etc).
Delete(I know he's on the poster)
DeleteUpdate: he isn't on the updated poster on the MCG website.
DeleteI'm just going with my gut feeling David. Not fantasy booking even though I am predicting Bryan beating Miz at Mania for the WWE Championship.
DeleteRegarding Meltzer's view it's half the reason why i'm predicting Miz.
As I said above it seems so obvious Bryan is winning at SSD. It's almost to good to be true. The booking has been so one sided since HIAC is like WWE are telling you the match result before it's even took place.
I could be reading too much into it and there's a good chance Bryan wins at SSD after SD but another thing that leads me to a Miz win is the fact he keeps throwing digs around at AJ Styles regarding the prestige of the WWE Championship not only on commentary but also to the Media.
Bryan wins then he loses the title match due to either Orton or Miz costing him because it has to be a 1 off match otherwise the heels don't have anyone to feud against for a couple of months and they all end up like Nakamura because they can't feud with other heels. Nakamura is directionless because they're isn't a babyface left for him to feud with so WWE can't do and AJ Styles/Daniel Bryan feud for 2 odd months because as I said Joe, Miz & Orton have nobody to feud with.
Imo WWE may as well have someone cost Bryan at SSD because it's inevitable that someone will cost him the title match itself due to the reason above and that would make AJ look weak in the process.
Miz's character as Abraham said is practically portraying a coward who hides behind his wife. I don't believe for 1 second that WWE would plan the match for Miz to man up and go it alone against Bryan I believe Maryse was written out of the storyline to make fans believe that Bryan is going to beat Miz at SSD in a one on one match because Miz doesn't have his wife to protect him but it's a U-turn and Bryan is going to be on the verge of winning until Orton screws him. Orton gets even more heel heat, Miz remains a coward who only won because of Orton, Bryan is still the sympathetic underdog who doesn't lose any credibility because he had Miz beat fair and square.
The Dave Meltzer quote is exactly what WWE managment want's us fans to think imo. I said it before you posted the comment tbf.
DeleteI'm not going to back track on the basis Benjamin beat Bryan because as soon as Miz announced Maryse wasn't going back to motherhood I immediately thought Orton was going to cost Bryan so I shall stick with it and if it backfires then i'll lose my bet but I have done plenty of others that will make up for it imo.
Maryse was not wasnt. sorry lol
DeleteI'm not asking you to backtrack. Just kind of realise bad booking when you see it because if Miz wins on Saturday, Bryan would have had his legs cut out from under him once again and is absolutely not the sort of thing that is done to somebody the company wants to win its major title on its biggest night of the year.
DeleteJust saw the comment about Cena. He's winning the title again. It's only a matter of when because the chase for WWE's record is going to be a story that will be told. Until it happens, I will constantly have Cena near the top of any potential Rumble/Elimination Chamber winner lists.
DeleteBryan is only 4 years younger than Cena, btw.
DeleteI know you're not.
DeleteI'm a big NXT fan not sure if you watch it but there's a guy named Johnny Gargano and he is the NXT version of Daniel Bryan.
Gargano is currently feuding with his demon Ciampa and Gargano keeps losing but he's losing in a way that he doesn't lose any credibility because the Champion is winning by luck. That whole storyline is going to end with Gargano beating Ciampa because that's the whole story they are playing out but he won't beat him anytime soon because he has to earn another shot at the title.
I think Miz/Bryan is copy and paste of that feud.
Bryan losing the tag match is irrelevant imo Maryse pinned Brie so Bryan doesn't lose any credibility because he wasn't involved in the pinfall decision.
The way I look at it is this Bryan has 1 pinfall loss and that's because Miz used Brass knuckles so he doesn't credibility in defeat.
If Miz beat Bryan fairly at SummerSlam or if he was to beat Bryan fairly at SSD then you're 100% spot on but if Bryan keeps losing but has a legitimate case on his side regarding those losses then it doesn't effect him.
TBH Bryan consistently losing due to underhanded tactics and interferences is his character in a nutshell.
Bryan is the sympathetic underdog that everyone can get behind. If he keeps getting screwed in big matches and loses due to no fault of his own then the crowd will get behind him even more.
This is going to sound stupid and won't make sense considering how the recent matches have gone.
Imo Miz needs this win more because if Bryan wins then what does Miz do going forward apart from falling back into a mid card feud that nobody would really care about.
Bryan can face Randy Orton in a main event program he can also face Shinsuke Nakamura in a main event program that elevates that the US Championship in the process. Both easy feuds to sell and to get the fans invested in the feuds
Miz could face Jeff Hardy in a feud nobody would care about with no stakes attached to it. It's a case of let's throw these two in a feud as there isn't anything else for them to do.
Or he can face a returning Rey Mysterio just for the sake of it. Because Miz didn't like the crowd pop Mysterio got on his return.
As I said earlier if Bryan is losing due to reasons that are no fault of his own then he doesn't lose any credibility it's an easy get out clause for WWE and Bryan to use in the future.
Unlike Asuka when the damage was done at Mania against Charlotte the Carmella feud was all about nailing the final nails on top of the coffin because the damage was already done because she lost fair and square by tapping out to Charlotte. If Charlotte cheated at Mania to win then Asuka wouldn't have lost any credibility.
That's what i'm saying with Bryan as long as he doesn't lose fair and square by tapping out or getting pinned with no shenanigans then he doesn't lose credibility.
Yes, I watch NXT and I know who Johnny Gargano is. I also know that Gargano has won against Ciampa (the unsanctioned match) in their feud.
DeleteIf Cena was on WWE programming regularly then I would 100% agree but he has to be committed to the company fans won't stand for another Brock Lesnar type of reign.
DeleteIf Cena's not making a movie for 6 months then he will come back and he will win the world title but as long as he keeps making movies then he won't be winning the world title because he cannot commit to the company.
Wasn't at SummerSlam. Hasn't returned on RAW to hype up the glorified house show match at SSD. It's either a world title or movies at this moment in time and Cena is choosing movies.
If WWE have Cena win 1 more World title then I think it could be in a Goldberg type of way where he returns for a short spell and a short title reign before he finally leaves for good.
If you are winning a Rumble then you need to be on regular programming because you need sell one of your top matches to the public. Cena can't do that at the moment because he's getting movie deal after movie deal.
Okay, we're going in circles here.
DeleteYou know best!
I know he did but that's not the story WWE want to tell.
DeleteBryan's beaten Miz before plenty of times but you have to pretend that didn't happen because that's what WWE are doing. Same as Gargano he beat Ciampa but WWE wan't to pretend and make us fans pretend that it didn't happen because the story they are telling is that Gargano can't beat Ciampa and Bryan cant beat Miz yet they've beaten the heels in the past.
WWE logic David it doesn't make sense.
Darryl Cullip logic makes even less sense, if you ask me.
DeleteNo need to get childish with the you know best line is all about opinions nobody is 100% right and nobody is 100% wrong.
Deleteimo Cena will not be World Champion if he's filming movies.
Just like imo The Rock won't comeback to wrestle another match whilst he's filming movies.
If Cena has a free schedule for a few months then he will come back and win a world title but if he's diary is full with movie commitments then how do you expect him to be in two place at the same time on a regular basis?
That's your opinion. I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you. That's what you wan't to happen because i'm disagreeing with you whilst trying to have a sensible debate.
DeleteYou are arguing a case for Cena winning the Rumble i'm saying that's not happening unless Cena has a free diary with no movie commitments from January till May/June because he can't be in two places at the same time. Why do you think Cena has barely been seen in WWE since Mania?
You are trying to argue with me over Gargano v Ciampa and Miz v Bryan I have said that WWE are telling a story where the babyfaces can't beat the heels. Gargano beat Ciampa at New Orleans but he's having a breakdown over the fact that he can't beat Ciampa because that's what WWE want to sell to the audience. Bryan has beaten Miz before but WWE wan't to sell a different story.
Again if you want to have a sensible debate then please tell me in an adult manner why is Gargano currently having a breakdown over the fact he can't beat Ciampa when he's already beaten Ciampa?
There's no need to get childish about it David. You can throw digs if you want all because I predicted Miz to win or because I have disagreed with you but i'm not a person who gets childish and want's to have a slanging match over a debate.
Here's the thing.
DeleteI genuinely think that your ideas are dreadful. You come at me with essays trying to make a point that could be made in a few sentences and you're wasting my time. I will not change my opinion, just like me pointing out some flaws in your cases haven't changed yours.
I'm not asking you to change your opinion David. You have put your point across for Bryan to win so I have put my point for Miz to win across.
DeleteThe whole point of a comment section is where a group of people share different opinions but for some reason my opinion is touching a nerve and I don't know why because i'm not being aggressive or insulting towards you.
There's no need for the silliness. It's so simple to remain like adults and agree to disagree whilst remaining respectful.
Like I said to you nobody is 100% right and nobody is 100% wrong. We have agreed on stuff in the past we have disagreed on stuff in the past but for some reason it's got out of hand.
I felt attacked by you and you have felt attacked by me. So I will make the first move and apologise to you and I think it's only fair you repay the compliment and then this whole debate ends with have different opinions and that's that but that's cool.
You don't need to apologise to me just like I don't need to apologise to you.
DeleteIf you don't like what I write about or my opinions or my reaction to your opinions, you're welcome to find a somewhere that does. Coming here and playing the victim when I call you out over some poor - and contradictory! - logic doesn't fly with me.
I wasn't playing the victim. Just saying I touched nerve with you so I apologised don't know what for because I didn't anything wrong but you obviously got offended so I thought I would apologise.
DeleteLike I said to you I have no problem with your opinions. It's a comment section it's about different opinions.
I just didn't get why you threw a strop half way through that's all and I quote 'You know best' No I don't know best (Nobody does) it's an opinion.
I said to you Charlotte was breaking Asuka's streak at Mania. You said to me Asuka was winning. I was right you was wrong.
I said to you KO was winning at Summerslam you said to me Strowman was winning. You was right I was wrong.
We've had many many other situations like the above. Different opinions which is cool I just don't get why this debate turned out the way it did that's all.
You can call me out anytime on my logic I could do the same at every PPV on something you have picked out like Rusev Day at HIAC for example. There's no point in me telling you it was a stupid bet and your logic was baffling regarding the match because it's your opinion and I respect that.
As you know I've been all in on Bryan v Miz for the WWE Championship at Mania that doesn't mean to say it's happening it also doesn't mean to say Miz is winning at SSD it's just my opinion some have the same opinion some don't.
The 'you know best!' wasn't a strop. It was me throwing my hands in the air and banging my head against a brick wall because - and as I added before that - we are going in circles.
DeleteAnd we still are going in circles. It ends now.
You're right it ends now.
DeleteI believe there is a lot of fan money going on Becky.
ReplyDeleteEverytime Charlotte shortens money goes back onto Becky.
I can't imagine that much fan money going on Charlotte.
I can because one of my friends - who is a fan - is backing Charlotte.
DeleteWise man or woman lol.
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